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her heartbroken father, speaking out earlier, listen. >> get your home. [inaudible]. david: talk about the surge in violent crime with retired nypd detective oscar odom. detective odom, great to see you. thank you for being here. is there any doubt in your mind, the failure to support police has a lot to do with this surge in crime? >> absolutely. it is a big failure. one of the things, first of all, i would like to express my condolences to the family members who their loved ones through the lost their loved ones through the violence over the 4th of july. we must be evidence based, data

driven. crime is up 400%. shootings are up 200%. robberies are up. assaults are up. what are we doing? when will we put a hold on these things and realize what is going on. i asked the political leaders. i know you can read the crime statistics. you're looking at the data. seeing all the issue us taking place. what are you doing to address it? not only that, numerous officers have been injured during this time. what political leaders have visited the officers in the hospitals who were either murdered or injured during all of this outbreak? i would like to see a list of names. right now i haven't seen any. david: meanwhile you have political leaders as i mentioned, not just the mayors by the way. city councils are just as guilty of this, defunding the police or calling for defunding of police. mayor de blasio talked about the 20% cut that he signed off on by his city council earlier this. play that tape, get your reaction. >> we will be canceling the

upcoming recruit class that would have started in july. and we're going to make sure that patrol strength is consistent by reassignments from administrative duty to patrol duty, by insuring that the nypd will make revisions in some of the functions it performs, ceding certain functions to civilian agencies. david: so, detective, mayor de blasio wants us to believe that he can just willy-nilly cut 20% away from the police and it won't affect either morale or the effectiveness of the police force, to which you say what? >> i say it's a oxymoron. there is no way in the world that you can do that. because here it is once again, taking the baby, throwing it out with the bathtub water. you have to look at everything that is going on. to defund the police is an oxymoron. how do you make something better by defunding it? officers need retraining. they need guidance how you want things to do.

officers are placed in a position, they're in a dilemma, when to do, what not to do, if they do certain things they may get in trouble. they are there to fight crime, to make sure we're able to walk around and enjoy ourselves. they understand what is going on. police officers want reform. we want things to do better. we want the public to be safe. we want them to be able to walk around. when you defund us, you have other leaders talking no, don't defund because their areas will be impacted by this defunding. they will have less police officers and that is a concern. david: by the way, detective, you know well, all the polls done in new york and other areas of the country where they're talking about doing this, show the majority of the people do not want to defund the police. this is a loud minority a loud group of anarchists who are out in the street calling for this, yet they're getting funded by millions and millions of dollars by corporations and, the black lives matter in particular is quite open about the fact that they're for defunding the

police. in fact you have black lives matter and defund the police written on streets all around america, in new york, in washington, taxpayers are paying for. >> right. one of the things i will say, that the people are saying, defund the police, first of all, i would like you to come live in those disenfranchised areas where you talk about defunding the police. when you get an apartment there, you live there, you work there, you come there every day, then you talk to me about defunding the police. when you live in your penthouses and you live out of town or those who represent those areas who are never there, then they have a different issue. that is why i always say they need to be charged with negligence. first of all the statistics bear the facts. they tell you how many murders, how many robberies, how many assaults taken place. you're able to look at it. that i always say if you knew this was happening, what did you do? if you did not know what was hamming where have you been? you need to be accountability to the political leaders for their particular districts and areas,

to say crime is rising in your area, what are you doing? if you're talked about defunding the police, are you talking with the community leaders, the community members, to say we need to stop the crime, stop doing shootings, stop doing robberies, stop doing murders because they have no problem in their areas because crime is rising. david: detective, i should mention in milwaukee they had one of the street mosaics defund the police. they changed one letter to make it read defend the police. apparently they had to switch it back again. the mayor and the city council were outraged but i think a lot of people in milwaukee agreed with that sentiment. there is defend the police. originally had been defund. i have to talk about something else that happened in new york and again in other cities where they have, they have this ridiculous get-out-of-jail-free card now. it is, what they call bail reform. whenever i hear the word reform, i reach for my wallet. it will cost too much and two, it will probably not work.

what happened as a result of that a lot of violent people are back out on the streets. one case of the guy literally arrested 103 times. he was a 31-year-old criminal, career criminal. while he was out walking the street he managed to punch to the ground a 92-year-old woman. there is a guy being handcuffed. he was finally taken away. here he is, boom, that woman is 92 years old. and she suffered a concussion as a result of this. what, we have to change this bail law, right? >> oh, most definitely. one of the benefits that i have for, humbleness that i have, besides being a practitioner i'm also a academic. so i have people contacting me, saying, dr. odom what are going on here? what are the issues? why is the crime going up? what are people doing? i'm able to look at it through a lens ever both sides from the practitioner and also as a academic to see what is going on

to see how we can mesh everything. like i always say, the data does not lie. a body is a body. that's murder. somebody who was shot, you have the bullet. you know they're shot. plain and simple. there is no way of getting around that. you can't escape that. david: doctor, detective odom, what would you tell corporations thinking about pulling out their checkbooks and joining corporations that sent millions of dollars to black lives matter? >> what i would tell them is, that i understand their intent being economic or whatever, but what i say is that, if you want true police reform, you need to also speak to the police officer, people who go out there and put their lives on the line every day, who people receive a call, shots fired, they don't run away, they run towards the danger. you need to talk to them, think about them, sit down, tell the people who you are giving money to, make this better, sit down with something, having true

reform, not just give money, you do whatever you want to do. apparently it is not working. david: police have to be in that conversation. >> most definitely. david: detective odom, what a wonderful conversation. thank you for your service to this country and this city. appreciate you being here. >> thank you for having me. david: next up, critics slamming speaker nancy pelosi, what they say is a do-nothing congress for skipping town yet again. this time for a two-week recess they're getting out of to inafter having failed to deal with two major crises. police reform and another covid funding package. we'll be asking kelly armstrong from house judiciary committee just when lawmakers plan to get some work done for the american people. ♪ this is decision tech. find a stock based on your interests or what's trending. get real-time insights in your customized view of the market. it's smarter trading technology for smarter trading decisions. fidelity. - i'm szasz.

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♪. david: well congress is in another two-week recess while american cities are burning and millions of workers nationwide continue to feel the pandemic's toll on the economy. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says hopes more economic relief can be passed in late july. meanwhile both the democrat-controlled house and republican-controlled senate written their own police reform bills but neither chamber will work with the other's version. it could be a lost cause by the time lawmakers are back in session. joining me now to discuss all of this, house oversight reform committee member kelly armstrong of north dakota. congressman, a lot of us were just wondering if speaker nancy

pelosi wanted to get back to her stash of ice cream in her fancy refrigerator in san francisco? >> somebody who is involved in -- call the police reform debate, seem as little frustrating we get sent home with so many hot-button issues, are begging for bipartisan support. the problem is, democrats in the house wouldn't, democratic majority in the house wouldn't take a single republican amendment, and democratic minority in the senate would not take one of the amendments senator tim scott offered them. we're pretty clear, this was not passing significant reform this is about messaging. david: even within the senate, remember racial epithets thrown at tim scott, calling it a token bill and so forth by his fellow, his fellow senators. it was just awful what was going on there. >> especially for a guy as thoughtful senator scott, he has great staff members, former prosecutors on his staff. if somebody who understands

issues, come up with a real solution, tim scott is it. i was glad i got to meet him and got to work with him over the course of this process which makes it more frustrating because there are things democrats and republicans agree on. there was never any interest passing a bill that could pass both chambers. david: what gets a lot of americans, it is our tax money paying for the salaries of you two guys. a lot of congress people are always patting themselves on the back how they're great public servants and they sacrificed to be public servants. they take off because they don't want to be infected by covid-19. a lot of us go to work every day within the middle of new york within a covid-19 crisis. dan crenshaw, your fellow congressman was particular -- he gave his eye, literally for the sake of this country and was particularly ticked off at this sentiment that they're not putting themselves on the front

line. listen to what dan crenshaw said, then get your reaction? >> now you're pushing back against nancy pelosi because essentially the house, the return of next week, postponeed. >> cowardice. cowardice is the only way to describe that. this is more than just about accountability. let me remind everybody, if we got paid hourly in congress, you bet nancy pelosi would be there. david: what do you think, congressman? >> well i agree with him. i only, only thing i would add to that is, there is no secret that she controls and has significantly more power when we're not there, than when we are there. the one thing i think regardless of your beliefs on speaker pelosi, she never hands away power voluntarily. that is exactly right. it is cowardice. it allows leadership to run whatever bills they want. look at surface transportation bill. that doesn't read like a reasonable infrastructure package for this country. this reads like a prelude to the "green new deal."

david: what about a covid relief bill? should we pretty much assume that is not going to happen? >> well, i mean, i appreciate senator mcconnell drawing a line in the sand on liability protection because we don't open up, regardless what state governments are doing, local communities are doing, if we don't get protection for the small business owners this economy is not going to open back up. that is a pretty big lift, pretty big lift by democrats controlled by the trial lawyers on house side. she you figure would want people to negotiate a deal but apparently not. david: kelly armstrong. thank you for coming in. appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> next up, we'll tell you why more than a few folks say it is hypocritical for former obama national security advisor to lash out at president trump for what she says failing to keep americans safe while serving in war zones. remember benghazi? how could she say that? brad wenstrup from house intel, his take on this one straight ahead.

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and, there is no explanation for this. we have a president who is doing our arch adversaries bidding it would seem. he is surrounded by sycophants and weak lings who don't have the confidence to give him the message he needs to hear. david: former national security advisor susan rice accusing his advisors of cowardice and incompetence and quote, callous disregard of safety of american forces in a war zone. this comes from a woman who is accused misleading americans about the origins of a 2012 terrorist attack that killed americans in a war zone. watch. >> what sparked the recent violence was the airing on the internet of a very hateful, very offensive video. it began spontaneously in

benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in cairo, where of course as you know there was a violent protest outside of our embassy, sparked by this mateful video. what happened in benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in cairo. what happened this week in cairo, in benghazi, and many other parts of the region. >> tunisia, khartoum? >> was direct result of a heinous and offensive video. david: let's bring in congressman, iraq war vet brad wenstrup. congressman, we know it was not a spontaneous demonstration based on a video that was made anywhere. it was a well--planned terrorist attack and yet here is a woman who talks about the callous disregard for the safety and security of american forces in a war zone in the trump administration. what do you think? >> well, i think it is

completely hypocritical. it is just unbelievable because they say anything. if you noticed during those interviews there is no pushback against her on those types of comments. this is someone who didn't know the difference between a demonstration or a protest and an orchestrated attack. either that or she intentionally was trying to mislead the american people and tried to save face. in that process, you talk about americans losing their lives, we lost an ambassador and other heil live valuable u.s. personnel in the process. so, you know, let's take a look at the records here. you have an administration that refused, refused to give the ukrainians lethal weapons, that being the obama administration. but the trump administration did. the obama administration gave them blankets and mres. when, we have had the opportunity toe increase our defenses against russia, or anything else the president has taken it with sanctions, and classic example is what the

president did in syria when it looked like our troops were being attacked by would-be russian mercenaries and he launched a tomahawk missile attack very swiftly. let's take it a step further. these are the same people that were opposed to the president taking out soleimani. the general in iran that has blood on his hands, and i can tell you first-hand from my service about that. that was verifiable, and verifiable and known. when the president had the opportunity to defend u.s. citizens and u.s. troops, he took him out, they complained about that. so you see the hip hypocrisy virtually from all the discussions about people that seemingly want to get back into office. david: congressman, i was going to mention that. in that same interview woe just saw, i won't bother to just saw

more of it, she was thinking about herself as vice-presidential candidate talking about somebody with her experience would be in a better place to protect security of americans in war zones than the trump administration to which you would say, what? >> i would say that they would be two peas in a pod. bill gates said joe biden had every foreign affairs decision e president act when needed to act. you know, you don't act on unverified information. you know, your son fought in the war. i fought in the war. we held detainees. if they gave us a tip, you made sure it was correct before you acted. if theres with a high-value target and they said they're held up in such and such a place, you don't just take that place out because there is a lot of negative effects to that if you are wrong. so it is important that information be verified. and there is a lot of information that's out there. i -- david: congressman, forgive me, very quickly, because we're running out of time. i want to talk briefly about what happened in syria when

there were hundreds, literally hundreds of russian mercenaries that were fighting because of course the trump administration is still being blamed to this day for some sort of collusion with russia, mueller, the mueller investigation said wasn't true but, it is still being pushed. that is what susan rice was trying to do over the weekend. tell us about that. the fact is, is that, this administration is directly targeted russian surrogates, in some case, russians themselves who were fighting as mercenaries in the middle east right next door to iraq? >> yeah. you nailed it, david, that is exactly right. the whole world knew that the president acted very quickly against russian interests trying to take out u.s. troops and he acted. he said we're not going to stand for that. he continues to say that. also strengthened nato, all of these things are aimed at russia. he has done a great job on our eastern flank to try to protect our allies in the region from

russia. so this stuff is nonsense. they keep using the word collusion. i don't think they know what it means. david: congressman brad wenstrup, thank you for your service, congressman. we really appreciate what you did in iraq. thank you for being here. >> thank you, david. david: former cke restaurant ceo, andy puzder, how many state and local officials are creating their own mayhem and mixed messages while tolerating tyrannical ad means to their lockdown orders. how can businesses plan with all this? that's next marco...! polo! marco...! polo! marco...! polo! marco...! polo! marco...! polo! sì? marco...! polo! scusa? marco...!

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megabucks they're paying for that education. markets are encouraged that covid death rates in the u.s. fell by more than 30% last month as therapeutics and new protocols for hospitalized patients are curbing the lethal intensity of the virus. markets are also enthusiastic in many countries around the world, businesses and schools have been open and back in session for months without ill effect. denmark, finland, south korea, and others have not seen a spike in infections despite kids going back to school. still back at home states and municipalities continue to have different rules and regulations that change from day-to-day from beaches, to parks, to restaurants. so who is right? who is going too far in either direction? we're joined by former cke restaurant ceo, andy puzder. great to see you, andy. i want to start with the positive news. around the country and "the wall street journal" had a great piece about this today,

countries are finding ways to open despite being in the middle of a pandemic. some had their close-down. some did more, some did less like sweden. they're opening now and they're opening successfully, when they are spikes, they find ways to stop the spikes and keep the economy open. if the europeans can't -- can do it can't we? >> all the economic news from may and june has been spectacular, the news has been wonderful. the news we have so far for july has been very positive. president trump is doing a great job of getting the economy reopened. i think the big problem is, that there are governors in these blue states that are mayors in these blue cities that don't want the economy to open. they want people unemployed. they want people at home. the key to that is, while they're closing down businesses and telling you can't go see fireworks and go to family functions at the same time

saying it is okay to go out and protest. so you have got them in a situation where they don't want the economy to go up and try to keep it down. on the other hand they don't want to offend all their woke friends who are going to call them racists if they do anything they disagree with. so they have to allow the protests. david: let me push back from their perspective. i don't necessarily agree with it but i'm sure what they would say, look that is precisely opposite what the president is doing. the president is risking lives of americans by trying to open the economy too soon just to get it going strong for the election, what do you say to that? >> look, the death rate is down. i mean there were, i haven't seen the numbers from today, but yesterday there were 271,000 deaths, excuse me, 271 deaths. now any amount of deaths is too many. 271 is 271 too many. we were looking over 2000 death as day in april. the death rate has not gone up even with the surge in the virus. it is going to younger people

who are not as vulnerable to this disease. elderly people, people that are vulnerable are protecting themselves. you can see the market is ignoring the increase in cases. people, if you go out in your neighborhood, go to, look at restaurants or drive around the city, you will see people just are not paying attention to the protocols. i think they should. i wear a mask when they go out. i socially distance. people are ignoring them. i think the reason is there has been so many lies how severe this pandemic or this virus is that they're not believing now. when they see that even though cases are going up, deaths are nonetheless staying down. david: they are. in fact they have been down, i mean, our mortality rate is about 1/3 of the mortality rate that they have in places like italy and the uk and spain and so forth. >> yep. david: i want to switch to violence in the streets because that too is of great concern to business people. how do you open up if you can't depend on the police to protect your business if things get bad?

>> well you can't. i mean this is, this is horrific for businesses, particularly in minority communities. i have mean these minority communities, the small business people -- david: you can bring your dog in, if you want, go ahead. >> he keeps trying to come in. i thought my wife had him. apparently not. i love the dog. [laughter]. but if you're in one much these communities, you can't keep your business open, like that area in seattle they called chop or chaz, the business people in the area are suing the mayor. suing the city. you can't run a business if you don't -- capitalism, free enterprise depends on law and order. if you don't have minimal law and order, you can't run a business. david: it is very tough. plus the flip-flopping on covid. what is open today is closed tomorrow. by the way your dog has its back to you. you must have said something. >> he is looking out the window, i think for my wife to come home. david: andy puzder, good to see

you my friend. >> thanks, david. david: we want to alert everybody to a special programing note. thursday, july, 9th, 1:00 p.m. eastern time please join neil cavuto for a virtual town hall. it is called "america together, open house." among his guests will be real estate icon and pioneer barbara corcoran who will answer your questions as to the housing landscape in america is undergoing a lot of changing, changing things both in terms of corporate real estate and individual real estate. message fox business on facebook or instagram or email us at invested in you @foxbusiness.com. some of the messages will be read on air. why so many people in the mainstream media lost their collective minds from president trump's 4th of july address at mount rushmore. steve hays weighs in next.

♪. >> this left-wing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the american revolution. we will never let them rip america's heroes from our monuments or from our hearts, by tearing down washington and jefferson, these radicals would tear down the very heritage for which men gave their lives to win the civil war. david: the mainstream media slamming president trump for his independence day speech at mount rushmore this past weekend with many in the progressive media saying that trump used the occasion to spread divisiveness and start a culture war but was president trump stoking the flames or just respond towing the current state of the union? let's ask fox news contributor stephen hayes. thanks for being here. >> david, you bet. david: "the wall street journal"

actually called that speech, i reading it, thought the same thing, i missed his speaking it but i did rate it first, i thought it was very good, they say quote, one of the best speeches of his presidency. what do you think? >> yeah, i guess i wouldn't go that far. i thought it was a fine speech. i thought it maybe an imprudent speech at a time when president trump needs to be adding new supporters as much as he can and as quickly as he can. i didn't think it was divisive speech, but some of the news accounts described a speech that president trump simply didn't deliver. it was a different speech than the one he gave. david: he was saying things that have been said by presidents at exactly that location at mount rushmore for decades. it only seems out of context and divisive if you think of what has become normal in the united states or at least by the standards of the mainstream media.

>> yeah. he is on entirely solid ground when he is defending the four men who are carved into mount rushmore, when he is talking about the founders and the tremendous accomplishment the american founding was. what he missed an opportunity was to bring in some nuance to his speech, to talk about some of the things that might be unnerving, not the radical protesters, looters and rioters, you will never persuade the looters or rioters. they're not there for constructive dialogue, but to say things, acknowledge, yes of course thomas jefferson had slaves. it was a different time and to explain why despite that fact, thomas jefferson is a great man. wrote the declaration of independence. one of the leading thinkers of the founding. why those accomplishments endure rather than simply sand them away, which is more of what he did in this speech. david: you know, president trump is moved by "the daily news,"

the news of the day, if you will and the news of the day the so-called canceled culture is destroying lives and he thinks that sun american. i will put up a quote from a speech. talks about the cancel culture driving people from their jobs, shaming dissenters and demanding total submission from anyone who disagrees. just last week as an example of this we talked about this before, but a dean at the university of massachusetts at the nursing school, i'm sure you saw this, she was fired for the temerity suggesting that all lives matter. she was not condemning black lives matter. sheave was saying in addition to that all lives matter. for that she was fired from a state institution. he felt that was un-american and that in the shadow of july 4th, in the literal shadow of mount rushmore, deserved to be mentioned. >> yeah, look, i think there is an important message to be delivered about cancel culture

and that is somewhere even barack obama decried cancel culture several months ago. donald trump is not the right messenger for that. donald trump is a practice ticker in of cancel culture. anybody he doesn't like he wants to have canceled. he goes after people offering mildest criticism. he tried to get me fired on our air on fox news's air because i wasn't sufficiently sported him. donald trump is cancel culture personified. that was a hot message and disowenant message from donald trump. david: there is overall question, pertinent one to ask, whether or not it is too late to rally americans in defense of traditional american values? i mean that's what a lot of americans pine for, the days when you could celebrate july 4th and wave a flag without having to look over your shoulder? >> yeah. yeah, no, i agree with that. i do think that is, that is someplace where he missed an opportunity. i think some of the lines in his speech, some of the defenses of

the founders, some of the things that you mentioned were right on, they were good arguments. i think he missed an opportunity to sort of broaden that message, to make a broader appeal than he chose to do. he did not use the speech to defend the confederacy as some of the news accounts. david: on the contrary. on the contrary. >> yeah. no, he didn't. when he mentioned slavery he mentioned it as a scourge on the nation's history and celebrated abraham lincoln and those who fought slavery. he just didn't do what was reported in some of these news stories. david: no. >> you by think he certainly had an opportunity to offer a more positive message than the one that he did -- david: i tell you. we have to run, but i'll tell you something a positive message. he quoted dr. king, martin luther king, jr., calling on fellow citizens, and i'm quoting here, not to rip down their heritage, but to live up to their heritage and that's a great message from dr. king. i think it's a good place to end. good to see you, stephen.

thank you for being here. >> thanks, david. david: next the covid crisis worsening at the border. mexico closing its border with arizona as cases surge on both sides. just as house democrats plan to cut funding for the border patrol and i.c.e. we'll ask retired i.c.e. acting director tom homan what can be done to stop it from getting even worse. ♪ i like liberty mutual.

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♪. david: mexico closing its border with arizona as coronavirus cases in both countries surge, worsening the cross-border crisis. with me now, retired former i.c.e. acting director tom homan. first, tom, has this ever happened, mexicans tried to keep out folks from the north? >> no, i don't think it has not that i can remember. mexico needs us. they are a sovereign country, and can close their border. we need to pay more attention from their southern border. that is where the covid cases are coming from. let me set the facts straight. a ninth circuit judge ordered i.c.e. to release children from family detention centers because of danger from covid. the only families with covid in the i.c.e. detention centers, ones arrested crossing border illegally with covid passing

through mexico. mexico should pay more attention to the southern border where there are a lot of covid cases coming through in an attempt to get to the united states. david: democrats unveiled a new new homeland security bill, that prohibits funding of a border wall. what doug may of that? what will happen? >> border walls work. every place they build a border wall illegal immigration is reduced, drug flow is reduced. i hope americans are paying attention. they pulled the curtain back on themselves. they don't care about a secure border. they don't understand a secure border equal as safer america. not only not going to fund the border wall they're decreasing i.c.e. detention beds by 80%. if you take the fact that 89%, everybody i.c.e. arrests are convicted criminal or pending criminal charges and they're arrested, that means tens of thousands of illegal aliens with criminal convictions will be released to our communities because congress failed to fund i.c.e. and border patrol

properly. david: tom, is there a way to even pass it in the house, i don't suppose that there is any way the senate, of course you never know, there are a couple of republicans that might cross over to vote with democrats, but could the president continue with extraordinary executive orders to overcome any kind of barrier that congress tries to put up with extending the wall even more? >> president trump is a fighter. he is the best president i ever worked for and i worked for six of them. he will fight the good fight but he needs to be here four years to fight for that fight. if the other guy wins, joe biden, wins you can forget about the border day one. he already said two things, he would put moratorium on all deportations. he will only deport people convicted of serious felonies. joe biden sent a message to the rest of the world it is okay to work in this country illegally, okay to work here illegally to displace american workers.

okay to have multiple misdemeanors we will not deport you. i hope americans make the right choice. donald trump needs four more years to work for this nation. done more than any other president on the border. 85% decrease of border crossing. no other president has done that. david: we're hearing a lot of calls to defund the police. some cities are actually doing so, or trying to do so. new york has gone so far has to cut 20% of the police budget. there was also a movement afoot among liberals, i think it will be reignited to defund i.c.e., to defund the border patrol. going along what you're saying, was their view there should be no border. so far chips away at that, i haven't heard after strong defund i.c.e. bill in congress, have you? >> no. but, look, what they just did, what the democrats did with proposed budget for the next fiscal year, they may not

abolish i.c.e. but they will starve them for money so they can't do the job. david: how? how? >> what happened with new york city, bill de blasio, tell me if bill de blasio wants to defund the police, defund his 24/7 security detail, 20 nypd defend him 24/7. lead by example. if you want to take away protection from the american communities, take protection away from the new york communities. take your protection away first. lead by example. david: same is true for most hollywood stars that call for defunding police. you mentioned that they want to try to starve i.c.e. how specifically would they do that? >> money. they have already, the proposal that democrats came up with now, this is just the first proposal, it gives i.c.e. money for 10,000 beds. now remember, just year ago they had over 52,000 people in detention. so they're asking to go from 52,000 to 10,000.

i.c.e. had 10,000 beds in decades. again, if 89% of everybody i.c.e. arrests is a criminal. david: right. >> they're not going to be detained. they will be released because they don't have the beds. one other thing, congress needs to read about it further, if you defund i.c.e. that much, 72% of everybody in i.c.e. detention congressionally mandated by law. congress need to read their own law before they take away 72% of the i.c.e.'s money away. it doesn't make sense. david: we have only 15 seconds, drug smugglers are very active across the border. they torched a private jet and left a truck with $4.9 million worth of cocaine. that shows you how much money these people have. >> they're making a lot of money right now. the focus is on drug smuggling because president trump successfully shut down illegal immigration by 85%. they have to make their money somewhere. they will look maritime. thank god president trump as hose guard and military looking

maritime. operations at port of entry increased. president trump is spending to this call. david: tom homan, thank you very much. great to see you. appreciate it. >> >> finally tonight i wanted to alert you all to the passing of a great man, a great patriot, country music hall of fame member charlie daniels. charlie was a music legend. i was very fortunate he was a good friend of mine. a while back he sent me this beautiful hat, i have to admit looked a lot better on his head than it did on mine. i still cherish it. charlie was best known for his grammy award winning hit, "the devil went down to georgia." his musical talent went way beyond that. he was greatly admired by folks like bob dylan and others. he died this morning after sufficient airing hemorraghic stroke. he was 83. emac will be back tomorrow. you will see her then. thanks for sharing time with me.

lou: good evening, everybody. as the nation celebrated america's independence day, there was unspeakable violence in many of our cities all across this land. as most of us celebrated, the left and their mobs continued their assault on the american way of life and fellow americans. there is blood on the hands of the radical democrats, big business, wall street and the rinos, all of whom have been quick to support the city ran call mobs -- the tyrannical mobs and the organizations that helped to create them as they try to destroy much of our cities and work to erase our history and try to forever change the fabric of t